From ninuxpdb at gmail.com  Tue Apr 22 15:19:01 2008
From: ninuxpdb at gmail.com (paolo del bene)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:19:01 +0200
Subject: [BadVista Advocate] free software,
	losed elections and paolodelbene in SINISTRA CRITICA the new left
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hy to all, in italy has won again berlusconi, i activeted myself with
new left 'SINISTRA CRITICA' http://www.sinistracritica.org/
i hope to occupate of free software in SINISTRA CRITICA.

at the same time i invite you to read

the Italian Magazine La Stampa - The Print 11/4/2008	
	
Free software and political elections	
	
SARA ARRIGONE	
	
As many of you know the free software is a topic that is to heart to many, in
particular to who thinks that the technology must free, be opened and
transparent
for all those who with it works and interacts. Many associations,
before between all
the Free Foundation Software, have carried ahead numerous battles in order to
introduce the free software in Public Administration and many
governments, after a
careful appraisal of costs, benefits and times of migration and
learning for the
customers, have decided to adopt Linux (or GNU-Linux more exactly) as main
operating system in the entire country.
entire country.
e examples more he celebrates and cited we find Spain, where in 1999 the MAP
(Ministry for Public Administration) chose of migrare from Windows to the free
software, and Brasi they, than she has not only contributed a lot to
the cause of the
free software in terms of development and experimentation on the
software, but also
she has been between first encouraging the migration from software
owner to Linux.
re owner to Linux.
f the customers informed to us and the enterprises is muovendo a lot
to care and from various years he is sensitive to the thematic ones of
the free software, than for who it did not remember the definition
exactly, it is a type of software that can be used, be copied, be
modified and distributed legal and liberations. Beyond joining to the
international initiatives of the Free Foundation Software, in fact,
national associations, groups of support exist on the territory
numerous call LUG and initiatives to you, between which course of
schooling in order to learn to use thematic Linux and events us.

Italy of the politicians is instead various steps behind, regarding
the other governments and the population. Although they have been some
trying to you from part of little individuals illuminates of giving
the just importance to you to the topics of the free technology and of
the innovation, there are still many actions to complete. To this
purpose association ASSOLI is collecting companies for one petition to
favor of the free software, not only from part of the citizens, but
also from part of the politicians. On the situated one it is possible
to read the names of the candidates who have joined to the petition
and the party to which they belong and even to get rid the ideas in
the last hours that precede the ballot.

http://www.lastampa.it/_web/cmstp/tmplrubriche/blog/grubrica.asp?ID_blog=147&ID_articolo=36&ID_sezione=310&sezione=World%20Wide%20Caf%E8


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>  The italian government in 2007 with Romano Prodi have had destinated
> to free software 10 milion of euro, not 1 cent of euro really arrived
> to free software.
>
>
> please visit
>
> http://maffulli.net/2007/12/21/dove-sono-finiti-i-fondi-per-il-software-libero/#comment-32215
>
> the translation,
>
>  stefano maffulli
> the barriers exist for being exceeded
>
> 21 Dec  2007
>
> Where are ended the deep ones for the Free Software?
>
> Published by Stef at 10:05 am under it
>
> This makes me to fall the arms: 10 million euro allocate to you from
> financial institution 2007 to support of the free software seem talk
> nonsense to you, but expenses elsewhere where? Of it Flavia and
> Roberto speak making to notice but that to the citizens knowledge is
> not given where they have been expenses, like and from who: servants
> transparency.
>
> as some parliamentarians were themselves engage to you in electoral
> campaign to support of the free software and collecting therefore some
> ballot, they said that the minimum that we can make is to ask Where is
> ended?
>
> the image is liberations available for who wants to use it on its blog:
>
> < to
> href="http://maffulli.net/2007/12/21/dove-be-end-the-deep-in order
> to-the-software-free/" >
>
> < img
> src="http://maffulli.net/wp-content/uploads/dovesonofiniti.png"
>
> alt="Dove the deep ones for the Free Software are
> ended" align="left" border="0" /></a >
>
> 34 Responses to 34 Responses to "where are ended the deep ones for the
> Libero?" Software;
> # Roberto Galoppini on 21 Dec 2007 at 12:18 pm
> tiful idea that one of the national marking.
>
> Returning to the issue money, I fear that as often happens the
> understood one them of expense of the financial institution they are
> too "orientatives", the point is that in this case senator Magnolfi
> has spold itself abundantly in more and more occasion speaking than
> these deep ones, and creed that would have had a transparency action,
> indeed they are convinced some.
>
> To times while we take care ourselves to choose the color of the paper
> from adorns to you l'ufficiale judicial is pignorando the furnitures.
> # Flavia on 21 Dec 2007 at 12:21 pm
>
> Not, not expenses altrove? it is not known dove? but (I even count to
> us still) I have been expenses for the good cause!
> The thing that critical, for hour, is the transparency lack!
> # That fine they have made 10 million euro? "Lobotomia & 21WordPress
> on Dec 2007 at 5:14 pm
>
> [ ? ] aim has made 10 million euro? Me I ask also after to have read
> the post of Stefano Maffulli, 10 million euro allocate to you from
> financial institution 2007 for the free software [ ? ]
> # Mark Frattola (sbarrax) on 22 Dec 2007 at 11:56 am
>
> Me it is not of all clear, reading to "Discipline previewed in
> Financial institution 2007 afferent to the competence of the Ministry
> for the Reforms and Innovations in the PA (?)", as 10 million euro can
> be associated (explicitly mention you to the aim of "estendere and
> supporting in all the national territory the realization of plans for
> the societa' dell'informazione, (?)") and a investimeno clearly for
> the Free Software ??
>
> Son lost to me anything?
>
> Good NATO Them,
> m. /x
> # tittidiruolo on 22 Dec 2007 at 1:13 pm
>
> I have taken the image. it is right to ask it, it is just porsi of the
> questions, even if the answers will not come or if they will come they
> will be from verifying.
> one of my sons uses alone free Software.
> bye and thanks. to you and flavia.
> # tittidiruolo on 22 Dec 2007 at 1:24 pm
>
> the image is not glue for now?.
> # Stef on 22 Dec 2007 at 5:11 pm
>
> titti: if you say (that error more to me? where you have tried glue) I
> even can help you
>
> Mark: creed is explained to codicil 895 like using the deep ones
> allocates to you in codicil 892
>
> 895. In the appraisal of the plans to finance, of which to codicil
> 892, it is given to priority to that they use or they develop to
> applications software to open code.
> # tittidiruolo on 22 Dec 2007 at 6:31 pm
>
> thanks for the availability, therefore, I make "copy" on yours link
> (evidencing it before.). the "paste" on the template ones of mine
> blog. But on the blog word appears only one "dove", that it does not
> send back to yours blog?ritorna on the mio?devo to try again ?.
> I have a blog on splinder, tittidiruolo.
> # Stef on 22 Dec 2007 at 8:25 pm
>
> titti: I have understood the resolved problem and l'ho (was the font
> that it changes the "). I have sent you an email however. Thanks.
> # tittidiruolo on 22 Dec 2007 at 9:20 pm
>
> perfect, thanks, have been sufficient to change the font?non have
> deovuto to execute the procedure advised in yours mail, all simpler.
> thanks of new and we hope in the 10 milioni?
> while you pass good festivities!
> # links for 2007-12-23on 23 Dec 2007 at 3:19 am
>
> [ ? ] ] [ stefano maffulli "Where are ended the deep ones for the Free
> Software? A question and one national marking: where 10 million euro
> are ended "per to the Libero" Software; (tags: blog maffulli
> software+libero Italy financial institution question) [ ? ]
> # Debianizzati.Org "Where is ended the deep ones for the Free
> Software?on 28 Dec 2007 at 10:09 am
>
> [ ? ] The Blog di Stefano Maffulli. Tags: 2007, financial institution,
> deep, free, software [ ? ]
> # marbel on 29 Dec 2007 at 11:10 am
>
> http://blog.debianizzati.org/2007/12/28/dove-be-end-the-deep-in order
> to-the-software-free
> # Stefano Canepa on 30 Dec 2007 at 10:06 pm
>
> C'? way in order to ask account for where is ended these moneies?
> Critical Flavia, just the transparency lack but is optimistic I is
> pessimist but I would want to know, like we make to ask? Has sense a
> petition as it proposes Roberto Galoppini on mine blog? I repeat here
> what I have written elsewhere: a petition electronic would have sense?
> We send one letter signed from several associations to some minister?
> Insomma like is made knowledge where is ended these moneies?
> # O.S. Revolution "Controversy? Government? Moneies Talk nonsense To
> You? 10 million euro? Free Software? Ok I am associated!on 31 Dec 2007
> at 2:16 am
>
> [ ? ] I can resist when I feel these things then I join to the tam
> tam, I instill the financial institution has to us nearly of all kills
> to you but we must [ ? ]
> # the moneies of the free software scompaiono in the null one |
> PettiNixon 31 Dec 2007 at 2:41 am
>
> [ ? ] these moneies seem shoot to you and to Stefano interrogative
> Maffulli un'interessante nozzle: Where are ended the deep ones for the
> free software? In its blog Maffulli beyond placing to if same, to the
> politicians and all the Italians the question [ ? ]
> # Financial institution 2007 and moneies of the free software
> "DoppiaVu's 31Blog on Dec 2007 at 10:44 am
>
> [ ? ] 31, 2007 of doppiavu Scrivo two lines in support of this
> initiative, that it has the scope of knowledge where 10 million) euro
> are ended 10?ooo'ooo (allocate to you [ ? ]
> # AleRitty on 01 Jan 2008 at 7:55 pm
>
> Many documents are pubblici?
> Nobody has simply tried to telephone to the secretariats?
> Or to send a fax demanding the things?
> >From what I know some, the documents publics are accessible to anyone,
> therefore also asking as private citizens (must) be had one answer.
> # of passage on 03 Jan 2008 at 11:03 pm
>
> It is true what I felt today in one of ours "esemplari" Nostrani TG
> (you see study open of the 18,30), than the senators they are still
> increases the wages to you, and the parliamentarians will follow to
> wheel?
> Will be ended l? famous 10 million?
> # Flavia on 05 Jan 2008 at 12:15 pm
>
> , in theory they are publics, you have reason when you say "(dovrebbe)" that
> is:
> - they are publics if you have time and patience to find the number of
> the interested ministero/dipartimento/ufficio
> - they are publics if you have time to telephone thousand times until
> that someone answers you
> - they are publics if when telephones finds a person kind that also
> understanding nothing a some office does not pass to you
> - they are publics if l'ufficio who have passed to you it is that
> right one and the person who answers to you does not have fear violare
> some strange law or also to only make to anger the head revealing
> "segreti d'ufficio"
> - they are publics if who answers to you not names to un'improbabile
> article of the law on the privacy
> - they are publics if someone has them publishes to you (in theory
> would have to be published on the situated ones)
> They are publics?
> Insomma from to the transparency the road is still a lot here a lot
> much long one.
>
> An appeal online?
> Perhaps, or perhaps also only one open letter (to newspapers and
> Minister interested) signed from a po' of associations and/or
> personages of I find of the university world and the sw free.
>
> my 2 cents
>
> Flavia
> # Flavia on 05 Jan 2008 at 12:20 pm
>
> @ frattola mark
>
> Codicil 895 of the financial institution 2007 (that one in argument in
> order to understand to us here) recites how much follows: "(Priorit?
> of the plans to finance) In the appraisal of the plans to finance, of
> which to codicil 892, it is given to priority to that they use or they
> develop APPLICATIONS to OPEN CODE. The codes source, the eseguibili
> and the documentation of the software develop to you are maintained in
> an atmosphere of cooperative development, situated in a web
> characterized from the Ministry for the reforms and the innovations in
> Public Administration to the aim of being able to be visible and
> riutilizzabili".
>
> here the motivations of my hope, poi? I know, are un'inguaribile optimist
>
> # ] [ stefano maffulli "Dear Sig. Minister Nicolais, where is?10 the
> million? on 09 Jan 2008 at 1:08 pm
>
> [ ? ] to the Minister Nicolais and the Magnolfi undersecretary asking
> transparency (as Stefano Canepa suggested also). we would ask makes us
> to know as first previewed 10 million euro have been expenses for the
> [ ? ]
> # Dude, to where is my stash? at Boldly Open on 16 Jan 2008 at 12:43 am
>
> [ ? ] [ ? ]
> # ] [ stefano maffulli "We will never know where are ended?10 the
> million? on 25 Jan 2008 at 8:17 pm
>
> [ ? ] the government is not that the hopes of knowing that diminish
> fine they have made?10 the million allocates to you from the financial
> institution of the [ ? ]
> # robiw72 on 31 Jan 2008 at 12:54 pm
>
> perhaps they are you use for those poor politicians who for job
> reasons are far from the mogli???..
> # Flavia on 19 Feb 2008 at 12:52 pm
>
> Now it is known where they are finiti?
> Here
> http://finalmentelibero.ning.com/profiles/blog/show?id=1642982%3ABlogPost%3A6007
> the answer!
>
> oh my god answer is one word grossa? you see
>
>
> # ] [ stefano maffulli "Some indication in order to find 10 millionon
> 21 Feb 2008 at 9:01 am
>
> [ ? ] about which it speaks Flavia, that is the answer to the demand
> for clarifications to the minister Nicolais on 10 million euro
> allocates to you to favor of the Free Software. In the first place,
> they are content that someone has answered, that it is not from giving
> for discounted, [ ? ]
> # GNUvox @ FSC "Blog Archive" Where is ended the deep ones for the
> Free Software? on 06 Mar 2008 at 8:45 pm
>
> [ ? ] Maffulli on its blog resumes one spiny issue: that fine they
> have made 10 million euro that financial institution 2007 had destined
> to the support of the [ ? ]
> # paolodelbene on 12 Mar 2008 at 4:55 pm
>
> if I find the number of the ds, will contact  the Beatrice Magnolfi
>
> salutes
> # paolodelbene on 12 Mar 2008 at 5:08 pm
>
> it must make one denunciation until the Power of attorney of the
> Republic can verify that fine they have made such bottoms.
> # Stef on 12 Mar 2008 at 5:53 pm
>
> Paul: the ministry has answered and some indication on as these
> moneies have been expenses we have it here and here.
> # and 10 million euro for the free software? -- {:nemorino60:}on 13
> Mar 2008 at 2:41 pm
>
> [ ? ] a dated P? but draft however of a argument object of financial
> institution 2007. Draft of 10 million euro is allocated to you to
> support of the free software. Stefano Maffulli is asked that fine they
> have made. [ ? ]
> # paolodelbene on 20 Mar 2008 at 3:57 pm
>
> during this period I am attending a course of the ECIPALAZIO
> http://www.ecipalazio.it mailto:info at ecipalazio.it that it would have
> to regard the emergency
> computer science.
>
> all e' demonstrated, except being a given over course to the computer
> science emergency.
>
> a course Cisco Systems, but legacy to double node with the MICROSOFT.
>
> I have asked information info at ecipazio.it R-with regard to the course
> on atmospheres that were free software, but have denied every type of
> answer.
>
> as a result of arguments and of a at this point irrespirabile climate
> with teacher and frequent visitors of the course, I render famous cio'
> affinche' it is known qual'e' l'aree that are breathed giornalmente.
>
> salutes
>
> Paul of the good
> # paolodelbene on 20 Mar 2008 at 7:02 pm
>
> I communicate moreover that for coming from arguments and dictatorial
> impositions from the teacher, this very day I have left the sure not
> alive course in China where vige the dictatorship and must make what
> tax comes us.
>
> salutes Paul of the good
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From ninuxpdb at gmail.com  Tue Apr 22 21:41:24 2008
From: ninuxpdb at gmail.com (paolo del bene)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 03:41:24 +0200
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2008/4/22, paolo del bene <ninuxpdb at gmail.com>:

ii  think that i  think that we must invite people to have a new
approach with: books,
software,
music and movies. people first must to study, because in italy only
11% go to the
university. then they must understood that is good to share anything,
but licenses,
contracts must be respected.
is good to share software only if is distributed with the GNU General
Public License
and the last one BSD license compatibile with the GPL. is good to share
documentation, books, manuals, guides if these one are distributed with the GNU
Free Documentation License or Creative Commons, i preefer GPL for software and
GFDL for texts. We must invite people to create, realize things, and
at the same
time to encurage to use things totally free. (free software refers not
price but freedom
so think free speech, not free beer). in italian as in french to say
that a think have
no price we said gratis, but free has the same signify: libero. we
must say people
don't use software, books, movies, music  if it is not free. but for
the actual things
again copyrighted, they must respect the authors, because a big community could
have more repressive laws as just happened in 2001 till 2006 with
berlusconi and
from 2006-2008 with prodi, but rutelli of partito democratico and
giuliano urbani
popolo delle libert? have in common one think penalize who share
anything, and so
to create legal problems to any person. now i left you to the original
text that i readed
in italian, but translated for you in english for you.

The peer to peer ? It's a crime Word of Rutelli

Que if vayan todos the minister of the Cultural Assets answers negatively to a
petition that asks the overcoming for proibizionista logic of the laws on the
intellectual property

2223 March 2007 - BenOlds
Source: The Manifest (http://www.ilmanifesto.it)

WWhich is the difference between the previous Minister of  the Assets
and the Cultural Activities, the City Giuliano blue, and the holder in
loads
Francisco Rutelli? The first one spoke little, but when it took to the
word on issues
dirimenti like the intellectual property the reasons of the record enterprises,
cinematographic, publishing they had found their defender. Who used, and uses,
the net in order to share on-linens deposited collective intelligence
in the serveur of
Internet went, according to Giuliano City, subordinate to control,
until emanating a
decree that equipara the peer-to-peer to penal crime. Francisco
Rutelli, instead,
speaks very. But as far as the intellectual property he is online of
continuity with its
precedessore.
Some days before the holder of the Ministry of the Cultural Assets a
petition of the
association "Altroconsumo" has reached in which it is asked Rutelli
see again the
Italian norm on the peer-to-peer. In particular, this association of
the consumers, fort
of beyond diecimila companies the collections, proposed the overcoming
of City the
proibizionista logic of the decree that previews penal endorsements for who
exchanges musical rows, video and other. The first answer has had it from Peter
Folena of the Commission Culture, that it has expressed its consent
regarding the
spirit of the pespirit of the petition. From Rutelli instead a letter
of answer that is all a program.
For the defender of the wedding between the devil and the Saint water (laws:
enterprises and consumers), the copyright is sacred, as the wedding. They go
established rules, supports Rutelli in the answer to "Altroconsumo",
but troubles to
put in argument the sacralit?  of the intellectual property. The
peer-to-peer it must
therefore remain a crime, even if Rutelli, in order to save the
spirit, rif?  to a savee
the spirit, rif?  to a savee spirit, rif?  to alli, in order to save
the spirit, rif?  to
aapplied to a process that judges a previous fact the City approval of
the decree.
Therefore, no intention to modify that norm. Therefore, continuity with the
defendersntinuity with the defendersecord, cinematographic industries. With
goodphic industries. With goodof the "consumers".
In the passed one and concitata electoral campaign, the Union had sent
marks them
of availability towards the reasons of the variegato universe of the
activists of the
cyberspace. It is clear: no revolution, but adhesion to how much of
innovative had
been manifested to international level on the intellectual property.
Translate in
simple terms: acceptance of the princip?(R) of the copyright, but
propensione for a
mixed system that puts on the same one slowly produced open source or
free. With
the consequent abandonment of the police and penal persecution of who it shares
saperi and acquaintance against the regimen of the intellectual
property. Insomma,
"a moderated" point of view, that it very made however to hope.
Of that availability if trace in the acts of the government of Prodi
Roman is lost some.
The stillicidio continues of police operations - they mails, financial
police, lacks the
police officers, but soon also they will adapt themselves, because
they are in the
faithful centuries - against who she uses the net like common good. It
is time that
also in Italy goes the Argentine adage: "Que if vayan todos".


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