[BadVista Advocate] Ubuntu? Well OT.

Tue May 1 21:32:52 EDT 2007

On 5/1/07, Michael D. Stemle, Jr. <manchicken at members.fsf.org> wrote:
> On Tuesday 01 May 2007 13:31:34 Lam YongXian wrote:
> > > 2007/5/2, Lam YongXian <news at adolflam.com>:
> > >>The former one
> > >> will give us more people, but whats the use when they dun understand the
> > >> ultimate ideal of free software? It would just make us another group of
> > >> jealous people on Microsoft(R) success.
> > >
> > > However, if the motive for people to leave M$ is DRM, then we have won
> > > half of the battle.
> > >
> > > I have been reading all this posts, but I think it is going to be very
> > > ineffective if we are to hard-sell free and only free software. There
> > > are two things people are fighting for at the moment, DRM and closed
> > > software, they are 2 different things, and I think it is better to
> > > focus on DRM at the moment, everyone hates DRM when they finds out
> > > about it, but the same people may not hate closed software... we must
> > > first enlighten people about DRM, then promote free software as a
> > > secondary area.
> > >
> > >> ---
> > >> Lam YongXian
> > >> Adolflam.com
> > >>
> > >> FSF member #5279

I totally agree.  How many of you have actually tried to get Windows
users to try and then switch over to any Linux distro, not just one
that uses entirely free programs or drivers or whatever?  I will tell
you this if their hardware does not work they are not going to go out
and buy hardware that is compatible to Linux, point blank.  I do not
care how much you push freedom people just are not going to out lay
more money when economies are getting worst so they can use Linux.
People who use Windows feel that all their programs they are use to
and use should be available on Linux.
I seen this in the beginning of OpenSuse when it was a real Linux Open
Source distro then it turned to proprietary code to attract users,
then it made the worst mistake ever by selling out to Novell.  Now
there is talk of pulling out and forming our new SuSe distro, dumping
proprietary coding and going back to our original base.  We are
forming but there are questions, like where and how are we going to
get drivers to support what the majority of internet users have on
their computers?  I do not see any answers to that in here.  Users are
use to being able to watch DVD's, play games or whatever and we should
point our attentions in getting people off of Microsoft and then
convert them into base free Open Source distro.  I feel it would be a
lot easier getting them to drop Windows if they were offered something
resembling what they are leaving, then wean them off of that to
gNewSense or whatever.
Adobe is slowing leaning towards Open Source and Sun has already
announced Java support plus other programs.
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> > Yes, I am not ruling out the step by step strategy in doing this. We just
> > have to be careful not to lose our goal of free software (look at OSI).
> > And while in the process of doing so, not to mislead people on the goal.
> >
> > ---
> > Lam YongXian
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> >
> > FSF member #5279
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> Freedom--and COMPLETE freedom at that--has been and still is the goal.  It's
> just taking time.  When GNU was first around, there was no way to run a free
> software operating system.  Now there is.  Ubuntu isn't the completely free
> solution that we want, but it is one that will help better the position of
> free software.  Let's keep calling it GNU/Linux, and let's keep pushing for
> freedom.  We'll use gNewSense, and we'll promote gNewSense (let's all make
> sure we're seeding it via torrents), and we should also rejoice that even
> though other folks aren't completely free due to poor licensing practices of
> hardware and software vendors, that they are magnitudes more free than they
> were.
>
> I also think that the increased adoption of Ubuntu will encourage
> manufacturers to release specs and software companies to free formats (how
> cool would it be if Flash was made a free format?).
>
> Yeah, we have those who like to stand on soap boxes and proclaim their moral
> superiority, and they may be right that they are more free... but if we keep
> increasing awareness and increasing freedom, and keep reminding people to
> value their freedom, we'll get where we're going.

ATI and Nvidia has released Linux free drivers to support most video
cards, and I have heard Flash is coming to Linux (Non-proprietary).
>
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Vista is a nitemare in the computer world.  It reduces and takes away
the rights of all computers users, whether they use it or not.  It
controls what a user can do and reports to Microsoft about all changes
one makes to hardware, software and any added feature.  DRM would not
be what it is today if it was not for the Microsoft push and with DRM
MS can control the user.  The lies:  Kernel control - but MS does not
state that this works only on 64 bit machines and not 32 bit (which
are the majority of all computers in the world).  Windows Genuine
Advantage WGA is stated as a MS protection against pirated softwares,
but in reality it is a program to spy on all Window users who install
it and now it validates every 6 months checking all hardware and
software on your computer.  If non MS supported software or hardware
is found it reduces the quality of your Vista operating system and
eventually makes it impossible to use for any computer purpose.  MS
Live is suppose to protect but it has failed security tests (this is a
non-issue as it will be corrected),  MS does not iterate that Vista
Home does not support Aero Glass or 3D and only if you spend more
money on upgrading to the next version and if only your video card
supports this feature (which is a norm for Windows).  And you all must
know that for Vista to be compatible with any Linux features you must
install a MS kit for this which is against all of our freedoms of
Linux to have anything from MS on our computers.  We all can thank
Novell for this kit.

This will be my last post to BadVista since I am adamantly against DRM
but I am also against forcing just one distro down on anyone using a
computer.  What happen to "Freedom of Choice" as I am not seeing this
in here.  While I love Linux I am against belittling anyone who uses
other Linux operating systems because they may not have any choice/may
be needed for their work or home use office/do not have the money to
buy hardware that supports Free Linux only.   I am against proprietary
code in any Linux factor but until Linux developers/hardware
makers/software makers get their act together and start developing
free Linux code we cannot just shut out the world.

George
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