[BadVista Advocate] Ubuntu?

[Don Hensley]

Absolutely. That is why I try to make the point about the GPL being different 
from the GNU Project. One is a Free Software License, the other a Free 
Software philosophy.

And the main thing about the philosophical side of the 4 Freedoms, is that 
DRM, and Treacherous Computing, and closed source binary blobs are horrible, 
soul destroying, Freedom stealing things.

We must lead people to the water, when they see others enjoying the cool free 
sweetness they too will join in.

The trick to leading them to the pure water is to lead softly, I think. 
Beating a mule never works too well.

Of course strong opines carry strong feelings, as they should.  A good trick 
RMS has is stating his feeling and only trampling on a minimal (well as 
minimal as he can make it) number of toes.

Kevin, you should try to at least attend, or even watch a podcast of RMS, he 
is not eloquent, but when he speaks it is well though through on the points 
he makes.

It being GNU/Linux is one of those well thought through points.

I agree that marketing wise, it doesn't make a great sound bite, and the GNU 
is not nearly as cute as Tux.

But how much of that is because it's what we have been 'trained' to accept by 
the media?

If every reporter from back when had used GNU/Linux it would sound 'normal' to 
people now, and "Linux" would be properly understood as the kernel --a very 
important part it is. But in the final anayliss the GNU came first... by a 
very long time.

Don. 
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 On Monday 30 April 2007 08:37 am, rek2 GNU/Linux LO LO LO wrote:
I can't agree 100% I do agree in some blending but with out changing the
core of our ideals..

First lets call it GNU or GNU/Linux,
second, you choose to buy that nice 3d card... now you must use the
proprietary driver.. I see there a choice you made that was the wrong
choice.. in the small cases were the card came with your computer
already, then I advise to
help the people at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/  for a real free
driver..

we can't promote proprietary drivers or anything non-free,
we cant stop people from using it.. but you can't tell someone to use
them neither..
as of now gNewSense is the only distro we can promote.. if we don't like
it then lets work in
making gnewsense better, we are in need of developers to help...

if this project is going to promote non-free I am going to stand on the
side.
what It though of this project was:
1. to point the defects  of Windows or any other proprietary OS later.
so we can't shoot our own feet, are we in one side or the other.
2. to promote FreeSoftware with FreeSoftware OS to archive point 3.
3. we are trying to show people a choice but not to hook them up on
steroids sacrificing our ideals to convince them to move. we are what we
are.. we are not the open source community.. but the FreeSoftware
community and we have political ideals.
if they don't like it they never will, I agree that some people may need
to open their eyes with some candy already in windows.. but I don't
agree we should tell them that what they are doing is right.. or that
running proprietary is right, that is for *them* to think and choose.

we are the messengers they are the ones who need to make a choice we
can't force them with candy till they give up, and as the messengers we
have to always give the right example and messengers.. I don't whant to
hear.. well the guys at badvista said is ok for me to run Windows as
long I have gimp,openoffice,firefox... bla bla.. then we are missing the
whole point.
even do I say it again.. I do agree that we can blend a bit to archive a
bigger result but we can do this with out compromising the root ideals.

Chris F.

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